Index for Modeling Pullman Pool HW Passenger Cars

This page is dedicated to providing a modeling index of HO scale Pullman Sleepers that have been produced, and when possible, provide photographs of the completed or in process model.  This page is a compliment to my Modeling SP HW Passenger Car Index.

Books such as the Pullman Panorama series and the six volumes of Southern Pacific Historical & Technical Society's Passenger Car series are great reference materials to have on hand when researching anything Pullman or passenger car related.  Various other articles have been published which would be too numerous to re-list here.

Heavyweight (HW) cars for the purposes of this index will be cars of riveted construction with 6-wheel trucks.  Lightweight (LW or Streamlined) cars will be cars with 4-wheel trucks, which may or may not be of riveted or welded construction.

History of the Pullman Co. (Pool)

Pullman Standard was ordered on Dec 31, 1948 to sell all of its passenger cars to the railroads based on the cars the railroads were leasing in 1945.  Most of the railroads involved formed a new holding company (Pullman Co.) which would take over the massive number of cars they just acquired.  The railroads would then lease their sleeping cars back to the Pullman (Co.) Pool.

The traveling public on Jan 1, 1949 didn't see any change to the staffing or service on Pullman cars.  The Pullman Co. took over all the car servicing and maintaining facilities around the country from Pullman Standard.  Pullman Standard retained their production system to build new freight and passenger cars.

Over the next several years the railroads repainted some of their sleeping cars to show their names on the center letterboard of the cars.  Other railroads left the Pullman name centered, but put their own names at each end near the doors.  A few railroads never bothered to repaint their cars out of Pullman lettering and as they suspended passenger service in the 1950s.  Other cars that were never repainted were mostly relegated to the Pullman Pool service and many of those HW cars were assigned to Governmental Storage on Military bases until 1966 when the Pullman Pool was disbanded when the DoD and the movement of the US armed forces by air with the C-141 and C-5A transport aircraft, supplemented by commercial airlines.  Many HW Pullman Pool cars never turned a wheel after about 1956-1959 while in storage.  Many Pullman Pool cars were stricken from the Lease To Pullman lists in 1960 through about 1962 and scrapped.

Pullman HW 12-1

Twelve sections and one drawing room sleeper, these cars by far were the most common HW Pullman sleeping car plan in use after about 1914 until the end of the use of HW Pullman Pool cars in the mid-1950s.  They had 12 Sections, which were the most basic sleeping accommodation and one deluxe Drawing Room for families or passengers desiring a full private suite with private toilet to stay in.

Walthers (Plan 3410)

Pullman Co. pool car Coronado
Pullman Co. (PC) Coronado was build between August and October 1926 for the Sunset Limited.  It was a car that was sold for scrap in August 1964, as one of the longest lasting Pool cars.  Therefore it likely never had its letterboard repainted, as it stayed owned by the Pullman Co. until the end.

Southern Pacific was the third largest owner of Pullman sleepers in the country behind PRR and NYC.  Here are two examples of these extremely common east coast cars.

Walthers PRR 12-1, Arona, non-Drawing Room side

The Arona was built by Pullman Standard between February and May 1925 in Lot 4845 to Plan 3410 as part of a group of 40 cars for assignment to the PRR.  On Dec 31, 1948 it was sold to the PRR and leased back to Pullman Co. as a pool car.

Walthers NYC 12-1. Dover, Drawing Room side
Pullman Standard built the Dover between Febuary and March 1927 as a pool car to Plan 3410 in Lot 6055 with 19 other cars.  The NYC bought the Dover from Pullman Standard on Dec 31, 1948 and leased it back to Pullman Co.

Branchline-Atlas (Plan 3410,A,B)

Rivarossi (Plan 2410)

Pullman HW 13-Section (Ex-12-1)

When Walthers came out with their new 12-1s (Plan 3410), I had about 7 old Rivarossi 12-1s (Plan 2410) that were in desperate need of mechanical upgrade, mainly scrapping the Rivarossi trucks that were completely worn out.
When I did some extra research, I decided to rebuild them as 13-Section Tourist Cars for my military troop trains for the Korean War.  The prototypes were old 12-1s.  The conversions were as simple as locking the bathroom door in the Drawing Room and turning it into a section.  These ex-Drawing Rooms were enclosed and often given to the NCOs or officers in charge of the troops riding in that car, possibly even adjoining 14 and 16-section cars.


Drawing Room side of a 13-Section Pullman

Branchline-Atlas (Plan 3410,A,B)

Pullman HW 14-Section

14-Section Pullmans were second to the lowest rated Pullman sleeping car.  Often used as Tourist Cars in later years.  Tourist Cars provided the budget fare traveler with sleeping berths, which were still better than riding coach for several nights in a row.

Pullman Co. pool car William Osler

PC Tourist 3132 painted for Challenger service, which ended around 1950.  This car looking a little beaten by 1952.


Pullman HW 16-Section

Kitbashed Walthers - From Walthers 14-Section Sleeper

Rebuilt Plan 2412T/U 16-Section Tourist Sleeper

Rebuilt Plan 2412T/U 16-Section Tourist Sleeper

Link to my blog Kitbashing Pullman 16-Section Tourist Sleeper (Part 1) TC 4242.

Kitbashed Branchline-Atlas

Soho and Other Brass Importers

Left side of Soho 16-Section Tourist Sleeper, from "Riverdale"-series (photo-shopped windows to clear up clutter)

Right side of Soho 16-Section Tourist Sleeper, from "Riverdale"-series

The finished PC TC4206 Soho car will be the feature of a future blog post.

Pullman HW 10-1-1

Ten section, 1 Drawing Room, 1 Double Bedrooms

Kitbashed Walthers
Kitbashed Rivarossi

Pullman HW 10-1-2

Ten section, 1 Drawing Room, 2 Double Bedrooms (Double-Vestibule)

Shasta with 4-8-2 MT-4, baggage, chair, cafe-lounge, and Pullman 10-1-2 bring up the rear.

On the SP the 10-1-2s were second only in number to the 12-1s.  Many trains had a 10-1-2 in their consist, such as the Shasta.



10-1-2 Single-Vestibule

Pullman made a single-vestibule version of the 10-1-2 as well, which had more bathroom-lounge space at each end.  Bachmann and various brass importers have produced this version.

Pullman HW 8-1-2

Eight section, 1 Drawing Room, 2 Double Bedrooms

B&O's Centabella, a STD 8-1-2

Pullman and RR owned 8-1-2s were common in the Pullman Co. pool and owned by the RR's after 1948 as well, so these cars certainly did show up around the country.


Pullman HW 8-5

Eight section and 5 Double Bedrooms

The 8-5s were rebuild from various other Pullman HW cars to fulfill the move towards more private room cars in the 1930s.  Notice also that the rebuild cars only have one vestibule.  This allowed Pullman Standard to get more bedrooms into cars of this plan.

The Coach Yard - model custom painted by Chris Culp
Isle-side of the Clover Mountain, on of 16 bought by the SP on Dec 31, 1948.

Brass Car Sides kit

NKP Car Co. has kits for modeling several classes of Pullmans used by the SP, including Pullman Std 8-5 sleepers. (Edit: Looks like the 8-5 "Clover" kit is not shown 8/2020, best to contact NKP Car Co and check availability!)  I have one of the NKP kits to build one of these days when I get back to working on my Owl, which might be a while as I'm building the layout of the Jawbone.  So through Second class passenger trains aren't really on the table right now (2022-03-25).

Brass Imported

Pullman HW 6-3

The 6 Double Bedrooms & 3 Drawing Rooms Pullmans were the top of the line in HW sleeping car accommodations.  Featuring all private rooms, they lead the way into the private roomed cars of the Streamlined age.  Of course these cars couldn't carry nearly as many passengers as a 14 or 16-section sleeper, so the space in these cars was sold to the high-end passengers and transcontinental passengers, often riding on expense accounts for business.  Many were built for trains such as the Sunset Limited, Golden State Limited, and Overland Limited during the 1920s.  By the 1940s and 1950s these cars were still in use on HW second sections of premier trains and other chartered trips using Pullman Pool cars.

Room side of the Glen Arch


Pullman HW 8-Bedroom-Lounge (6DBR-2SBR-Lounge)

Only two cars in this group, which were regularly assigned to Nos. 57 & 58, Owl, for many years until retired.  It is interesting to note that the Mission Santa Ynez and Mission Dolores ran reversed in the Owl's consist behind the SP's full Lounge Car, so that the two lounge sections adjoined between the two cars.

The home railroad would prefer, if possible, to run their own diners and lounges because the money from the drinks in the lounges went to the company that owned the car, not which route it was on.  Pullman waiters served in Pullman Pool cars and home road employees served in home road Lounge cars, so it's not hard to see why the home road would push to get rid of Pullman Pool Sleeper-Lounges and Lounge-Observations because of this and run their own Lounge cars instead!

Walthers Solarium-Lounge (Stand-in)

The unique feature of the Solarium-Lounge cars was their larger windows in the rear observation section of the lounge.  Basically these cars were enclosed observation cars.

Right side of Walthers Solarium-Lounge - before kitbashing into a Mission-series car.

Left side of Walthers Solarium-Lounge - before kitbashing into a Mission-series car.

Detailed view of the Solarium-end of the Mission Dolores

Pullman HW 10-Section-Lounge-Observation

These cars had the most basic sleeping accommodations of any Sleeper-Lounge.  For higher paying customers the railroads would have 4-Comp-Lounge-Obs or 3-2-Lounge-Observations assigned.

Walthers (Old Metal)

Right side of the Mt. Nebo
Left side of the Mt. Nebo

 Link to my build blog on outfitting the Mt Nebo (Part 1).  Often assigned to Nos.59 & 60, the West Coast, on run between LA and Portland, Oregon before 1948.  Also seen in consist lists of Nos. 57 & 58, the Owl, in 1947.  SP removed open-ended Lounge-Obs from all regular train consists in 1949.

Pool assigned 10-Section-Obs would have been free ranging across the US on special trains and US Military movement (MAIN) trains through the Korean War.

Pullman HW 4-Compartment-Lounge-Observation

Walthers (Old Metal)
Kitbash Walthers (New Plastic)

Pullman HW 3DBR-2DR-Lounge-Observation

Walthers (New Plastic)

Right side Pullman Co. 3-2-Lounge-Obs

Left side Pullman Co. 3-2-Lounge-Obs
Walthers (Old Metal)

Pullman HW 28-1 Parlor Car

These cars were reserved seating for day passengers.  They featured 28 parlor sofa chairs and 1 drawing room for day use.  Many day time trains on the NYC and PRR used 4-5 Parlor cars for their first class passengers.  In the west, Pullman Pool Parlor cars would be used on special trains requiring extra lounge space, which was sometimes in short supply.  These cars therefore would often be run near the Dining and Lounge cars for passengers to ride in during the daylight hours and let them get out of their private rooms.

Left side of fictitious "La Mesa" HW Lounge-Club Car starting with a 28-1 Parlor.

Pullman retained a number of these cars in their 6100-series, some of which were painted in a dark purple color with Pullman on the letterboard and only a car number centered on the car side below the belt rail.

Right side of fictitious "La Mesa" HW Lounge-Club Car starting with a 28-1 Parlor car.

Walthers (New plastic)
The "La Mesa" Lounge-Club Car is one of the tongue-in-cheek cars that I did for the Golden Spike at the La Mesa Club in August 2015.  The back story for this car would have been that it was leased from Pullman and repainted to the "Overland" scheme and internally "temporarily" reconfigured to a Lounge Car, which would have been very easy to do simply by swapping out the Parlor seating with a few more tables, standees, and installing a bar in place of the single drawing room for serving drinks, etc.

The club also use a custom painted Pullman 28-1 Parlor car as lounge space in some of the extra passenger trains, so this model isn't too much of a stretch, especially being able to reuse the UP paint scheme.


This more or less all I have planned for this page.  I will upload new photos of models as I get them built or take other photos.

Please enjoy looking at the links below for more content.  Pages without active links are future pages I plan to add soon.



  1. Jason,
    I see that nice 8-5. It says Brass Car Sides, I checked with them and they don't know anything about it, NKP (are they still around?) has a website with 8-4 which is probably close enough for me. Any ideas?

    1. That's because it is a Coachyard 8-5 in the picture, custom detailed and painted by me back in the late 80's. It should be upgraded with Walthers Pullman 2410 trucks. Those cars had the 10'6" 2410 variety but at the time the only flavor, and the best available, were the stock TCY 2410A 11' trucks.

  2. Jason,
    Could you please share some of your knowhow. In the 1920s and 30s Chilean
    railways purchased a range of metal passenger cars including sleepers -
    Dormitorio. I am very interested in modelling these - it is said the Chileans
    had a good look at Pullman plans - and produced cars with 44 seats and only
    20 beds (4 two-bed rooms and one dormitory room for the rest)
    photo on,_Schlafwagen_X_47.jpg

    Does this ring any Pullman bells? Any help would be appreciated.
    Thanks for your trouble, Peter M

    1. Hello Peter M,
      I don't have any 'special knowledge' of the Pullman-Standard Company, or the Chilean Railways. I believe Illinois Railway Museum has the Pullman-Standard collection, drawings, etc. Perhaps you could contact them about getting information on the international projects Pullman built.

  3. Hello Jason,
    Thanks for your comments. I am waiting on a copy of John White's railroad
    passenger cars Vol 1 +2 for drawings. Comparing what is on the internet with
    the Chilean car, it looks like the German manufacturer LHB followed Pullman
    practice - the car appears to be a 6-8 - the nearest I can find on the web is a drawing of a 6-6 - last question - did anyone make this in HO in ṕlastic - or what could I use for kitbash? Thanks Peter M

    1. Hello Peter from Christopher Culp,
      I'll be....I've seen hundreds of photos, built, painted, and detailed, and have done dozens of drawings for The Coachyard, Challenger Models, Great brass Fleet, and others....I've never seen those! I may be able to give you a guidance on this car, however. It appears very much as though this car was built along Pullman Standard practices...there were others, however; American Car and Foundry (AC&F), Bethlehem Shipbuilding, Pacific Car and Foundry; not to mention at least a half-dozen more including many of the railroads' own shops, all built heavyweight steel cars to similar designs up until the mid-30's. For starters, it looks as though the car was built with "transom" windows (Pullman called it "Gothic"), much like the early Pullman "2000" plan cars. From the photo, it looks like they were plated over in much the same fashion as the early (Pullman plan 2410) 12-1, (Pullman plan 2485) 10-1-2 cars and others built up until the early 20's. This particular car appears to have been modernized with skirting and air conditioning (there are no intake or exhaust vents in the clerestory). The trucks also have cast pedestals, as opposed to bolted-on which dates it as early - mid-30's. A very good place to start would be Arthur Dubin's "Some Classic Trains" or "More Classic Trains". They are very well illustrated and will give you a "feel" for the "heavyweight" Pullman Car construction and development. Based on what I see in that Wikipedia photo, the Rivarossi Pullman sleeper (an 'artistic-license' model of a Pullman plan 3410B 12-1) is your best starting point. IHC has also imported various cars using that tooling. On this car, the letterboard appears to be welded sheet metal so you could lightly sand the bottom row of rivets off the model to get that. The windows are slightly undersized relative to the car-side and there is a distinct can cut out and move windows around to suit the prototype. New England Rail (now defunct) made windows for the Rivarossi car so you could do just that. You can still find them on eBay; he made paired windows, single windows, 3/4 height windows, etc. Another easy modification to the Rivarossi car would be to sand the rivets off of the belt-rail (the raised moulding beneath the windows) to replicate the flat belt-rail on your prototype. This moulding is what joined the upper and lower side-sheets of the car. I would be interested to see what you uncover in your search! BTW, did you know there are some models of the Brazilian narrow gauge Budd cars in plastic? Model Power imported them here. There is a baggage, coach, diner, and sleeper.

  4. Hello Peter..
    here is a link to a photo of what looks like 2 non-modernized cars?
    They would be the 2 blue clerestory cars..the lead car has a sealed clerestory, the other, open.

    Cheers, Chris Culp

  5. Hello again Peter,
    I also found this; a steel car built to much the same design IN GERMANY but not modernized with original trucks (bogies). It is also in the Railway Museum of Santiago.,_a%C3%B1o_1923,_en_el_Museo_Ferroviario_de_Santiago_de_Chile.JPG

    Chris Culp

  6. Hi Peter,
    Here is a photo-study of the 2 style of costruction...I believe now that the letterboard on your Dormitorio is riveted flat sheet.

    Hope this helps a bit.
    Chris Culp

  7. Chris,
    Thanks for all your input. This gives me something to chew on.
    Could be a while thugh, stay safe, Peter

  8. I'm looking for prototype photo's of an SP 10-1-1 "Rice Lake" Pullman Sleeper... Just bought an ATLAS model of one and would like to see a photo of the real one.


Please identify yourself at the end of your message. Please keep comments relevant to the post or questions to me directly.
All comments are moderated and must be approved, so give me a bit of time to approve them.
No random solicitation in comments. Spamming and phishing comments will be deleted or not allowed to post.